Posted On
3/12/2018
4:28:06 AM
by
Jet Engineer
Nothing big. Easily obtainable, only important is that, the college must have accredited by the National Board of Accreditation which the most of technical colleges has.
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Posted On
3/12/2018
5:44:54 AM
by
Sid
@Jet Engineer - can u tell me how to get it done ?? i passed out from Anna University, Chennai.
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Posted On
3/12/2018
6:04:11 AM
by
imran
what is passed out please?
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Posted On
3/12/2018
6:29:58 AM
by
Info
NBA accreditation is not for colleges, but only for programs/courses. It's not mandatory that all the programs/courses of the colleges be accredited. Check NBA link to find out, if your course/program is accredited or not.
Here's the link: http://www.nbaind.org/accreditedprograms.aspx
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Posted On
3/12/2018
6:41:27 AM
by
Mohammed Sameer
My college is not listed in NBA. Is there any other alternative?
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Posted On
3/12/2018
6:50:12 AM
by
NAAC approved university.
Dears, Please clarify more. I studied Annamalai University (Faculty of Engg and Tech).National Assessment and Accreditation Council (NAAC) accredited Annamalai University with a grade of A. not by NBA India. From this can I get NOC From Kuwait Engineer society?. thanks in advance.
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Posted On
3/12/2018
7:31:13 AM
by
Narendra Modi
This is very good step now all fake degree holders will be caught.
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Posted On
3/12/2018
8:38:24 AM
by
Martin
My college and course is accredited. How to get KSE member ship.???????
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Posted On
3/12/2018
11:46:43 PM
by
AJ
Does this effects to all Engineering Graduates in other designations or those having Engineer designation on residency permit?
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Posted On
3/13/2018
12:28:11 AM
by
Info
@ the illiterate fool
Not having NBA accreditation is not a fake degree. Out of 1000s of colleges in India, courses of only 100s of colleges are accredited. Before 2013 even IITs were not NBA accredited, are they fake?
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Posted On
3/13/2018
8:49:39 PM
by
Shocked
my college is not accredited by NBA now what will happen my residence renewal is nearing. oh my god
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Posted On
3/13/2018
9:08:45 PM
by
aa bb
dear all, already i have KSE ID card but its very old 2003. can anyone tell how to renew it ? what is the procedure & documents requirement to renew it ?
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Posted On
3/13/2018
11:17:39 PM
by
Hiho
@aa bb- Just go to KSE office with a old card & pay the life membership fee. You will get the card immediately.
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Posted On
3/14/2018
1:04:37 AM
by
online
I did online engineering from Egypt? will I have problem?
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Posted On
3/14/2018
2:40:35 AM
by
Worried Engineer in Kuwait
As per my personal experience, getting the Membership is not an easy job. 1) First of all, your college's name has to be there in the List of Accredited colleges which they have. 2) If you college's name is not there, then you need to obtain a letter from NBA ( National Board of Accredition) 3) Then, they will ask you to sit for a useless & shitty exam, which consists of: - all the basics of any branch & which is completely un-related & non-applicable to what work you are doing currently ( which I am pretty sure ) - Exam is very lengthy & tough to pass - Completely impractical for a Project Engineer/Manager to go back to his/her drawing board & prepare for such an exam consisting of utter basics what you have learnt during your university time. -LAST BUT NOT D LEAST, ARABS ARE EXEMPTED FROM SITTING FOR THIS EXAM ( Which was expected )..ONLY INDIANS, FILIPINOS, PAKIS ,BANGLADESHIS ETC.. NEED TO GIVE THIS EXAM TO OBTAIN THIS MEMBERSHIP Hope it is more clear to all of the people who want a clear answer about the process
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Posted On
3/14/2018
3:37:31 AM
by
Hareesh Ramakrishnan
I have started hearing the same too! I got mine back in June last year. My college was not in their list(they have a very old list)and hence there were 2 options possible. 1)Contact NBA India and get a letter from them for this purpose(ID available in their website)and produce it to KSE. Note that NBA accredits only courses in a college and not the college itself.So when you did your degree ,your course should have been accredited by NBA(This accreditation is a proof that your college is not fake and that you have completed a valid course). 2)Go to NBA's website ,get your college details and check there.If your course was accredited back then(when you did) or is accredited at present ,take a print out of screenshot and show it to them.
Go only by 6:45 pm from Sunday to Thursday.
Apply for exam (70 KD) or class+exam(40+70 KD -this is better).
Take classes and write exam after 3 weeks( 2 papers- each 1 hour on the same night ) Syllabus is lengthy and slightly tough,but prepare what they teach and you will make it through. In my batch even Arabs attended classes and wrote the exam.
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Posted On
3/14/2018
4:09:20 AM
by
Worried Engineer in Kuwait
@ Hareesh - The Arabs gave the exam for a different purpose. As per them, they already had the membership but wanted to obtain some certificate for their company. So, its 99% sure that they are biased towards Non-arabs & even purposely fail them sometimes..
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Posted On
3/14/2018
4:27:54 AM
by
Ann
Dear Hareesh,
Thanks for the explanation.
My course and college was not accredited by NBA at the time when I passed out. ...But presently it is. what can be done in this case?
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Posted On
3/14/2018
10:29:51 AM
by
Priyan
My PRO - Mandoob went for the renewal of my residency today but my application rejected by MOSL. PRO asked me to get approval NOV from Kuwait Society of Engineers. Now I am in a big problem as my residency residency will be expired next week and my gate pass also will expired. Please help to what to do to get NOC/Approval from KSE. If anyone can update with details will helpful.
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Posted On
3/14/2018
7:55:28 PM
by
RT
@Priyan , Where you are working ? Public or Private Sector. Please download the pdf file https://www.aicte-india.org/downloads/laccreditedprogrammes.pdf, check your college and course in the the list. If it is listed then KSE will give you NOC and you can renew your residence.
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Posted On
3/14/2018
7:55:43 PM
by
NBA accreditation
KSE Is checking through NBA website. the following details are checking course, duration and college name. unfortunately, Before 2002 no college was there. I don't know what I have to do?
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Posted On
3/15/2018
12:21:58 AM
by
Rajesh Unny Nair
Hi All,
I did my graduation from Amrita University which is Deemed. They have NAAC A grade and UGC accreditation.
I dont know what needs to be done now as my college nor courses is not listed in the NBA website. http://www.nbaind.org/accreditedprograms.aspx
However In this document https://www.aicte-india.org/downloads/laccreditedprogrammes.pdf my college is listed and even my course.
I am totally confused and really dont know how to proceed.
I have Residence for another 3 years, so is it mandate that i have to do all this now on an urgent basis??
In the worst case my company is ready to change my residence to Service technician but i'll loose my Driving license.
Any advises ???
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Posted On
3/15/2018
12:53:50 AM
by
SOS
Someone wrote we have to get letter from NBA India if our collage is not registered. What is the procedure to do this as I am sure NBA India will not entertain individuals for such documents. I request our embassy to look into this and help all concerned to avoid further hardship to each one of us.
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Posted On
3/15/2018
1:36:35 AM
by
CB
@RT: Are you sure NOC can be obtained only if your college/Uni is NBA approved ? Or you need to answer the test as well?
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Posted On
3/15/2018
2:00:12 AM
by
Engineer 01
As decided in KEF(kuwait engineers forum) EXCOM, KEF EC met with Kuwait Society Of Engineers chairman Eng. Faisal D Alatel today (wed ,11am) in his office. Thanks to Ex-officio for arranging the meeting.
The Chairman informed that the NOC from KSE is mandatory for renewal of Residency for Engineers. As per his visit to many countries including India , as per his analysis and as recommended by our Government they chose NBA accreditation body for Indian Engineering institutions. . He further said that he warned Indian Institute of Engineers (IIE), KOC,KNPC and other organizations that this will be implemented in Kuwait (and later across GCC)but unfortunately it was not taken into account by them.
Later he send a letter to Public Authority for Manpower (PAM) to implement this after a gap of 3 months but the memo from the PAM didn’t mention the implementation period. This has become an issue for KSE as well because they don't have enough resources to process so many cases in sucha short time. (KEF offered voluntary help if required).
When we raised the issue of eligible people losing jobs and that ultimately Kuwait will be the biggest loser, he replied that they needed Indian engineers and that the purpose of this directive is only to filter the unauthorized 1%. We reminded him that the reverse will happen as 99% of us are going to be affected by this. He assured us that he will try for an extension of 3 months and until then he will resolve issues on case by case basis.
If anyone has immediate issues with residency or job, please try and meet KSE chairman for a possible solution (ie issuance of NOC Certificates)
Since this is an issue affecting multitudes of Indian engineers working in Kuwait this has to be further raised with the Indian Embassy, NORKA, other Indian Eng Alumni Organization , media etc and try to get this order withdrawn.
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Posted On
3/15/2018
2:36:36 AM
by
Worried Engineer in Kuwait
@sos: for this you need to draft an email to [email protected] & [email protected], explaining what you require. Yes, they do entertain individually the requests, but only thing it will require some time - lets say around 3-4 weeks for producing this certificate. Also, you need to keep following up with them.
Definitely our Indian embassy should come forward & resolve this issue ASAP. We are ready to pay the required fees, but atleast scrap the exam/test for gods sake..
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Posted On
3/15/2018
2:57:04 AM
by
CB
@Worried Engr: What i hear is You can get the NOC if your college is NBA accredited. Is this true?
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Posted On
3/15/2018
3:01:02 AM
by
Inside info
I heard (from a reliable source) that Kuwait Society of Engineers (KSE) had signed a MoU with Indian Engineers' Institute (IEI, Kuwait chapter) many years ago that any member of Indian Engineers Institute, Kolkata chapter (IEI, Kolkata chapter) will by default be awarded KSE membership, but they have never honored it.
Apparently membership of Indian Engineers Institute, Kolkata chapter (IEI, Kolkata chapter) is quite foolproof and robust and doesn't require NBA accreditation.
Can someone throw more light on this?
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Posted On
3/15/2018
3:38:16 AM
by
Indian
We Should all Tweet to Sushma Swaraj using twitter regarding this problem. She will notice and solve the case.
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Posted On
3/15/2018
3:46:30 AM
by
AJ
Is this new rule applied on Private sector as well or only Public sector?
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Posted On
3/15/2018
4:13:58 AM
by
VK
Many Questions unanswered :
1. If a particular college figured in NBA list, what would happen if year of NBA is much later than the candidate pass year?
2. If a particular college figured in NBA list, what would happen if a particular branch was not figured in the list?
3. If a particular college not figured in NBA list, what is the fate of the candidate?
4. NBA accreditation came in last decade and no idea what would happen those passed in 90 and 80s when NBA itself was not there?
5. Few colleges were closed and merged, university names got changed and for them, NBA can not be done as those colleges no longer there. No idea what would happen to those guys?
It is going to be tough time particularly who are in need of renewal immediately.
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Posted On
3/15/2018
4:48:53 AM
by
Hiho
What is important is present accreditation. If the college & course is presently accredited, there is no issue even if you passed years ago.
The problem comes where your course & college was accredited when you passed out but it is not accredited at present. In that case, you may have to produce a letter from NBA showing that during the subject years the college was accredited.
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Posted On
3/15/2018
5:32:45 AM
by
info
@Hiho...Please dont misguide people. Only Students who graduate during the validity period of accreditation of a course will be deemed to have graduated with an NBA accredited degree.... http://www.nbaind.org/accreditation-documents.aspx
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Posted On
3/15/2018
6:29:00 AM
by
Worried Engineer in Kuwait
Yes, Info is right & Hiho is wrong about NBA Accreditation time period..It is important to have NBA Accreditation for the time in which you passed out..
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Posted On
3/15/2018
8:54:05 AM
by
Hiho
The link posted by info isn't relevant for how KES applies the rule. If someone had passed 30 years ago when there was no accredition, KSE only looks whether the institute & course is presently valid as per their list. Do you want them to change it?
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Posted On
3/15/2018
10:38:23 AM
by
human
As of 15th March evening they checking the NBA website .If your collage name is there ,they will give application form. Not even considering year of passing
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Posted On
3/15/2018
11:35:44 AM
by
Jeemon pj
Today I visited, Kuwait society of Engineers. The steps are as following 1. They will issue the token 2. They will ask the Degree certificate and Mark list (Degree certificate will not show the college name) 3. They will check the college name in the same link http://www.nbaind.org/accreditedprograms.aspx 4. They will check the college name and course 5. If its listed they will provide the form for the exam/ If the college is not listed they don't have any current solution 6. If the college and course is listed with the accreditation they will provide one form 7. The form need to submit with the fees of 110 KWD ( course + Exam) 8. As per the information they will provide the NOC in one moth those who pass the exam.
Thank you
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Posted On
3/15/2018
3:12:52 PM
by
Sameer
I have tweeted to Sushma Swaraj the day this news came out, atleast 100 such tweets should go to her with genuine twitter ids, so that she can take the matter seriously.
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Posted On
3/16/2018
1:51:21 AM
by
Ali Raza
What will happen if the college name is showing in the NBA list but the course name is not there.any information on this ??
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Posted On
3/16/2018
3:06:47 AM
by
anbu
mr hareesh ramakrishnan , p l call me 67057917 or give missed call , i wish to talk to you.
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Posted On
3/16/2018
3:12:09 AM
by
Hiho
The college as well as the course should be accredited. The alumni should put pressure on the college authorities to take necessary action to accredit the course.
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Posted On
3/16/2018
10:10:11 PM
by
Mr Engineer
My college as well as course is on the NBA website, however my course is listed as "provisionally accredited". The guy told me that he's only considering fully accredited status. What do I do?
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Posted On
3/16/2018
11:00:23 PM
by
Opinion
The NBA accreditation makes no sense, there are courses of colleges out there which are not accredited. Moreover there can be many scenarios where a course is not NBA accredited like: 1) College no longer exists. 2) College exists, but that particular course/branch of Engineering doesn't exist in the college.
Since NBA accreditation is only voluntary but not mandatory, not all colleges might want to get accredited. This situation has to be brought to the attention of embassy and Indian ministries like external affairs and ministry of education. I think this issue has to be addressed now once and for all.
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Posted On
3/17/2018
1:51:48 AM
by
Sid
This is just another tactic to make more money out of the Expats.. people who have worked as Supervisors for more than 10 years will have more knowledge and impact than Engineers who passed out from reputed colleges.. its all an eyewash saying that they are filtering out the fake engineers blah blah blah..
They can simply say,pay 110 kd for residency renewal or else go home.. Simple.. no need to make all these fuss..
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Posted On
3/17/2018
1:57:39 AM
by
Info
Apparently a one course accreditation by NBA costs a college INR 5 Lakhs (KD 2500 approx.) and a 5 courses accreditation INR 11 Lakhs (KD 5500 approx.), which is only valid for max 3 years, that's the reason many colleges skimp on it. How many colleges out there would like to spend 11 lakhs every 3 years just to get an accreditation which only serves as reputation and nothing else.
I hope our embassy does the needful in tackling this situation.
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Posted On
3/17/2018
2:25:15 AM
by
Joyal Jose
I am Graduated from UK and I am planning to transfer my visa to Engineer visa. What should i do to get an NOC? Do i have to write the exam?
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Posted On
3/17/2018
11:42:49 PM
by
CB
KSE is checking Tier I & Tier II list ? or both?
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Posted On
3/17/2018
11:57:03 PM
by
Info
Tier II only Tier I is Washington accord accreditation.
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Posted On
3/18/2018
12:12:09 AM
by
Ram
Tire Two list shows my College/Uni/ Program listed, where as this link which is provided doesn't have that program at all. Please clarify if you guys have any info. THANK YOU in advance.
this is where my Program is listed. ==> http://www.nbaind.org/accreditedprograms.aspx
This is pretty disturbing and confusing. hope they provide transparency and a time to get things done properly.
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Posted On
3/18/2018
1:00:05 AM
by
Frustrated Engineer
Does it help to have a membership from IEI (Institution of Engineers India) ?
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Posted On
3/18/2018
1:51:41 AM
by
shuweikh
Please read this news http://www.arabtimesonline.com/news/engineers-to-seek-delay-in-decision-let-us-rectify/
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Posted On
3/18/2018
10:32:56 AM
by
Krish
Just met two Engineers who are living with families in Kuwait and their residency expired due to the new rule, became illegal and could see how terrible blow it was for them. I am sure more and more engineers would likely to face the similar situation in coming weeks. Personally I know several of them who passed out of Engineering when NBA was not there and no solution offered in such case. How embarrassing that 15 -20 years of work experienced engineer sitting for the exam to prove his/her degree authenticity. I am sure no engineer would be able to survive long in the organization if he is not able to deliver the results. If organizations that are paying salaries have no problem, why some forum who does not understand the full situation is entrusted with such big task is beyond anyone’s comprehension. Even one genuine Engineer should not suffer. Afterall, every engineer went through Ministry of HRD, MEA & Kuwait Embassy Attestations. I am sure most of the engineers in India have come from AICTE recognized universitites and colleges. If NBA accreditation is not there, impression created that it was not a genuine degree which every Indian engineer agree that it is not true. We all know this new rule would create lot of hardship. I was reading newspapers this morning and seems other Arab Forums (Egyptians & Jordanians) strongly opposed it and taking up solution suits to them. Time has come to rise to the occasion. We have so-many Indian Engineers Forums, Associations and Communities in Kuwait and the matter should be taken up with support of embassy as highest priority to cancel this new rule and go back to status quo.
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Posted On
3/18/2018
12:57:39 PM
by
Hiho
I think people should stop panicking. Within a week, we can expect a deferral of the decision for atleast 6 months. Kuwait needs Indian Engineers as much as we need the jobs.
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Posted On
3/18/2018
10:55:35 PM
by
visa expired
@Hiho ..How can you say like that not to panic etc ..? Its not affecting you right now thats the reason you are saying like this, so please think about those people who lost residency validity . If you dont have residency now,will you keep quite ? Will you pay all the fines for me? Can you assure to solve my case?
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Posted On
3/18/2018
11:32:03 PM
by
Engineer
Many Indian engineers forums are working in the background. Expect news of deferral of the decision soon (Came to know of it from reliable sources).
Engineers whose residency is due/pending/expired/rejected, let your messenger go for it again after a few days.
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Posted On
3/19/2018
12:45:00 AM
by
S K
I have few questions regarding this decision: 1. Is KSE a government department? Or just like a society like any other organizations in Kuwait? 2. What will the Companies do to recruit people from outside, who will check their NBA accreditation? 3. What will KSE do for other countries like Korea, China, Spain, Canada, UK etc., from there also Engineers here. 4. How can KSE ask not to renew the residency till people get their NOC? The contract is between an individual and the employer. IF both of them have no complaint, what is the role of KSE in it? 5. How can a different rule apply for renewal of residency which was not there at the time of issuing the residency? 6. Why is it so essential to have a degree for someone to work as Engineer. A technically qualified person with years of experience may be better than for a job, depending upon its requirement, than an accredited engineer. it is up to the employer to decide to whom they should appoint. What is the role of KSE in it? 7. Is the move from KSE with the approval of Government? Or the Government aware of this?
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Posted On
3/19/2018
12:46:50 AM
by
S K
I have few questions regarding this decision: 1. Is KSE a government department? Or just like a society like any other organizations in Kuwait? 2. What will the Companies do to recruit people from outside, who will check their NBA accreditation? 3. What will KSE do for other countries like Korea, China, Spain, Canada, UK etc., from there also Engineers here. 4. How can KSE ask not to renew the residency till people get their NOC? The contract is between an individual and the employer. IF both of them have no complaint, what is the role of KSE in it? 5. How can a different rule apply for renewal of residency which was not there at the time of issuing the residency? 6. Why is it so essential to have a degree for someone to work as Engineer. A technically qualified person with years of experience may be better than for a job, depending upon its requirement, than an accredited engineer. it is up to the employer to decide to whom they should appoint. What is the role of KSE in it? 7. Is the move from KSE with the approval of Government? Or the Government aware of this?
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Posted On
3/19/2018
3:37:36 AM
by
info need
I am graduated from UK and my course & university, both are accredited by Washington Accord and in Tier 1 category. How could I get NOC? Do I have to write the Exam? or shall I apply directly for visa transfer? Do anyone have any information?
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Posted On
3/19/2018
3:49:14 AM
by
police
someone is purposely posting comments here to bring this topic always on top.. stop it.
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Posted On
3/19/2018
4:55:37 AM
by
thief
@police....open your eyes. It seems you are not an engineer.
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Posted On
3/19/2018
5:03:03 AM
by
Hiho
@visa expired- Please feel free to panic, if thats what you want.
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Posted On
3/19/2018
5:31:10 AM
by
Info
Any new developments? Guys if anybody has any kind of information, please keep updating here.
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Posted On
3/20/2018
1:00:57 AM
by
PRK
Dear Mr.Joji John, Many thanks for your initiative. Hope a solution will be found for this problem soon.
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Posted On
3/20/2018
1:01:25 AM
by
PRK
Dear Mr.Joji John, Many thanks for your initiative. Hope a solution will be found for this problem soon.
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Posted On
3/20/2018
1:02:06 AM
by
PRK
Dear Mr.Joji John, Many thanks for your initiative. Hope a solution will be found for this problem soon.
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Posted On
5/28/2018
3:38:28 AM
by
Ismail
Any update on this ???
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Posted On
8/31/2018
10:42:47 PM
by
FAHAD ABDUL JABBAR
Any Updates in this Regards?
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Posted On
9/1/2018
10:11:39 PM
by
Shah
This move is one of the steps to reduce the number of expatriates. So no point in complaining. Looks at the number of expats, they are much more than the locals. Indian population crossed 9 Lakhs. The point is if someone is unable to obtain NOC best thing is to leave the counrty.
Note: Some people tried to change the profession from Engineer to something else & it was rejected by Shoun. Earlier this was a solution, but that is also not possible now.
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Posted On
9/2/2018
4:32:00 AM
by
KHAN
Hi Shaw
Dont misguide the people. category change is still possible and license can be used.
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Posted On
9/2/2018
5:24:45 AM
by
INNOCENT
My diploma is NBA accredited. Can i get NOC?
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Posted On
9/2/2018
5:42:14 AM
by
JKS
Hi Mr.Khan,
You are a perfect Indian to adjust according to the current situation. As advised by you, the Indians can adjust according to the situation and find ways to earn money rather than thinking about dignity.
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Posted On
9/2/2018
6:15:39 AM
by
KHAN
Hello JKS
Why should we worry about dignity. There is nothing wrong with dignity. My dear if you understand this policy of approval which is only targeting the driving licenses, nothing other than this.
Do you think if there is no approval, cant we engineers perform our duty well? I am fully confident that no one can replace my position even though i dont have KSE approval. Cant i pass the test which will be performed by KSE even though i dont have NBA? My dear, to prove someone is an good engineer, the employer certification is sufficient.All the employers are satisfied!!!
When we are capable to manage our positions why this approval process? controlling population in various methods. This is one of them.
If someone will lose his job due to this reason, then it is totally unacceptable.
So dont be the reason of your loss yourself.
Relax your policy according to change of policies and move forward in your career.
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Posted On
9/2/2018
6:17:57 AM
by
INNOCENT
Can anyone tell me whether i will get KSE approval since my diploma is NBA accredited?
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Posted On
9/2/2018
6:48:53 AM
by
KV
@ Innocent For KSE NOC, one should study 4 year Engineering Course and the Course should be accredited by NBA. There are plenty of other courses (MBA, Sciences and Diplomas) accredited by NBA but they will not be eligible to get NOC.
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Posted On
9/2/2018
9:35:05 PM
by
Sid
@innocent - first of all why do u need a NOC ?? U re a diploma holder.. NOC is required only for engineers.. If you are holding the position of an Engineer with ur diploma, then i must say u cannot get a NOC, as the NOC is applicable only for Engineers with a 4 years Engineering Degree.. BE/B.TEch/B.Sc in some cases...
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Posted On
9/2/2018
9:55:03 PM
by
Hindi
Mr.KHAN,
You are outdated! Shoun used to accept designation changes in the beginning. They stopped entertaining it any more. A colleague of mine tried to do it & it was rejected by Shoun. Finally he had to obtain NOC from KSE before renewing the work permit. The process took almost 3 months and he was on Temporary residence (Article #14).
So do not mislead people with outdated info.
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Posted On
9/2/2018
10:44:09 PM
by
x
@Hindi My colleague change the profession from Engineer to Supervisor Yesterday , dont spread wrong information...
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Posted On
9/2/2018
10:56:05 PM
by
Hindi
@x,
Is your colleage an engineer? Probably not. Those who are working as engineers in projects cannot change it. Every year during work permit renewal, translated copy of the certificates need to be presented. So if you are holding an engineering degree you must obtain NOC.
Many people had engineer title in the work permit, despite not being an engineer. In such case change of profession is accepted.
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Posted On
9/2/2018
11:05:00 PM
by
x
@Hindi He is working as a IT Support Specialist in WLL company, but work permit profession was Muhandis.
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